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  • Command knitwear

    Hi Robert Ingemarsson. I haven't actually had the opportunity to knit a fully-fashioned jumper on a digital machine just yet (still waiting for my machine), but I've done a little research and I think the general concept is to use two yarn feeders with the same yarn. One for the left shoulder and one for the right shoulder - alternating between each as you knit down. I'm not sure what this means for the roll down speed, etc. I am also unclear on what you would do with the unknitted stitches at the center of the neck which would typically be bound off first?

    I am interested to see what someone with more experience with this type of machine knitting has to add or correct regarding my assumptions above.

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    Hi - Thanks so much for the reploy

     

    Just worked this out and have it ready to knit however its not validating

    Katy Grieve could you have a look with the developers to see why its not validating so we can start running some further tests and post the results on here

    Thanks

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  • OJ

    Robert Ingemarsson I haven't knitted a fully fashioned sweater on the Kniterate, but I think this is how I would approach it. Starting from the bottom,

    • Knit section A.
    • Knit B.
    • Knit C with decreases.
    • Knit D.
    • Remove stitches at E on waste yarn (or bind off).
    • Using 2 feeders alternate knitting F and G while making inside decreases. (Maybe short row decreases?)
    • Continue H and I with the 2 feeders making outside decreases for the shoulder slope.

     

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    Hi

     

    Thank you - that is so useful and just what we are staring to implement :):).

    We cant get the compiler to validate this though so waiting on Katy Grieve and Gerard Rubio to have a look at this so we can try and produce such an item.

    Will keep you in the loop :):)

    Regards

    Tim

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    So, after playing around (alot), here is the first shaped garment off our Kniterate machine :)

     

    Not perfect, but we now have our head around shaping garments so next step a larger garment :)

     

     

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  • Catriona

    Well done following to see everything can that can be done on the machine.

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    Wohoo - So at last I understand shaping, transfers, decreases and increases and we are able to shape the front of a jumper (mini jumper).

     

    Next Step, small (baby) jumper, front, back and arms, and then linked...

    Hoping to have production jumpers ready for the winter season which are knitted on demand for our fashion brand :)

     

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  • OJ

    Robert Ingemarsson Congrats! Looking good! 

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    So just started work on doing increases.

    For the knitters here, is it as simple as just knitting a longer row or so we need to do more than that?

    Tried knitting longer rows which seemed to work but the bindoff when very screwy and started knitting with 2 feeders at the me time!!!

    Any thoughts / ideas / pointers or example kcode / design app screenshots

    Thabks

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    Just found this info for how to knit an increase on a v bed knitting machine

    can we do this on a kniterate?

    taken from this great resource…

    https://akaspar.pages.cba.mit.edu/machine-knitting/

     

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  • Command knitwear

    Robert Ingemarsson , last year I believe plasmatopia was experimenting with fully fashioned increases, which left an eyelet in the fabric. Kniterate replied to an email I sent that a 'split stitch' as shown in your diagram above is possible with their machine and they were working on incorporating that option into the software. This added ability would reduce or remove the eyelet. Gerard Rubio Katy Grieve is there any update on the split stitch function?

    And thanks for all of the super helpful machine knitting references!

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    Thanks for this 

    Wold be great to know when the split stitch is coming as will make like much easier.

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    So, we can now shape on single bed and both bed knits which is great news.  Single feeder doing the body of a jumper and the left shoulder, and another feeder doing the right shoulder :):). 

    Now we want to put a reversible pattern which will require 2 feeders for the body and left shoulder and another 2 feeders for the right shoulder.

    We have this programmed in (see below)

     

     

    Looks great - however, it produces compiler errors.

    As soon as you try and do a short row (on the original 2 feeders) you get a compiler errors so looks like jumpers in a pattern are out, or will have to be programmed directly in kCode.

    Has anyone got this working and if so how.

    Gerard Rubio, Jipke Lezwijn do you know when we may get this fixed as its a major blocker for people wanting to do more than a square.

    Thanks

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  • Gerard Rubio

    Command knitwear Split stitch is still pending to be tested more thoughtfully

    Robert Ingemarsson We are looking into that issue.

    Thank you for your patience!

     

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  • plasmatopia

    Robert Ingemarsson  One of the things I enyoy most with the Kniterate is outsmarting the compilers errors...  

    I have also made past attempts at holeless increases, including hand manipulation, which I might add was an "epic fail."  None were successful.  But a possible solution recently crossed my mind - an approach I hadn't tried before.  I'll see if I can code it this evening, and will let you know how far I get.

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  • plasmatopia

    Robert Ingemarsson  I was successful in implementing the "kickback" increase as shown in the image you shared above, the methof that puts a twist in the added stitch.  As the (very nice!) article you linked points out, the twisted kickback increase leaves a smaller hole than an untwisted increase but does not eliminate the hole entirely.  (The split stitch, however, which connects the added stitch to a loop on the row below, should eliminate the hole altogether.)

    At the risk of getting called out for illegal coding behavior, I am adding a screenshot, along with a photo of the kickback increase (the hole is circled) knitted with this code.  The coding trick to get the twisted stitch is to put that one stitch on its own line (in the code), forcing the carriage to change directions mid-row.  Just after the transfers, the carriage starts out moving to the right.  In the subsequent line, the carriage first adjusts the feeder to the right and then moves it to the left while stitching the single stitch.  Finally, the carriage direction reverses again to knit the remaining stitches in the row.

     

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  • Robert Ingemarsson

    Great write up on kickback increases . We have also used this when playing around with this kind of increase . It’s just so hard to put in the software and get right.

    The other software we are using also uses this mechanism but does it all for you without you having to code it :)

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